Hitler Would Have Been A Democrat
Animated GIF from: An old, fat, social 'tard I used to know.
American Liberalism taken to it’s ideological extreme becomes Socialism. Socialism taken to it’s ideological extreme becomes Fascism. As example I give you Nazi Germany and Communist Russia. Ah, you say: Liberal extremism could eventually become Communism, OK, maybe.. but Fascism? Never! Remember, Stalin killed only 30 million people while Hitler killed at least 35! There’s a HUGE difference between Communism and Fascism!
One allows privatization and the other doesn’t? Oh, big whoop. These are economic policy differences, not ideological ones. At the heart of both ideologies is the principle that the need of the State outweighs the need of the individual. Individualism must be suppressed, as the good of the State is paramount. Democracy and freedom of speech cannot be allowed, as the individual cannot be trusted to see the “big picture”.
The word “Nazi” is short for National Socialist, don’t you known?
Conservatism on the other hand, worships at the alter of individualism. The State gets only whatever rights the individual chooses to grant it. Conservatives believe that the State works for them and not the other way around. What idiot would hold that Hitler would have been supported by us Conservatives, as he represents everything we hate? In point of fact; Hitler was the darling of the Left in this country until he decided to invade Russia. Why did they (the Left) turn on him then? Well, Russia took class warfare to a place they could only dream of here. And 60 years later, they’re still dreaming of it.
The Left loves to portray Bush as Hitler and Conservatives as Nazis, but I’ve got news for them; They are the Fascists here.
posted by Cartoon Nazi at Tuesday, October 26, 2004
13 Comments:
I think Peter Hitchens (Christopher's devoutly conservative brother) summed it up best when he said to Chris, "National socialism has the same roots as all the other socialisms."
It doesn't get any plainer, or truer, than that.
Wow, you’re right! The defining point of Socialism is murdering millions of people while ruling over them as an evil dictator, what an astute and not-at-all asinine point to make! Well done!
Hmmm...
Smug Nazi?
Nazi Monkey?
I wanna play, dammit!
LOVE that gif C-Nazi...
This summary of the Socialism-Fascism connection you’ve created proves you are either an idiot or, more likely, Ann Coulter.
how do you explain, then, that nazi germany's biggest american backers were conservatives like henry ford or charles linbergh? i mean, even the famous "liberal" that cozied up to them, joe kennedy, was a sleazy opprotunist trying to take advantage of the german market (ha, in other words, a free market capitalist. thats a good thing, right?). i don't understand why you keep using these broad, sweeping, inacurate statements about the left. it's unfair to say they dont support individual rights. how do you explain the aclu? sure, things have changed over time, but how do you explain conservatives ("worship at the alter of individual rights") installing puritanical societys in the 17th century, fighting for slavery in the 18th, fighting against civil rights in the 20th? calling dissent treason?
and dont forget, until fdr (and in the south for 40 years even after that) the republicans were the party of the "massachusetts liberals" and the democrats were the conservative darlings of dixie.
The problem is that we all throw around words with ism attached and then we are asked to respond to someone talking about the suppression of individual rights by groups considered to be conservative. We really should be talking about Statism:
Statism describes any social or political system in which state intervention plays a major role. It is also used to describe any central government that implements economic planning, or policy.
This is about Statism vs Individual Freedom and Liberty and that Liberty is not derived from any group or state.
Mover Mike
i think jf is just defending liberalism after the Cartoon Nazi's point. The only way to absolutely avoid statism is anarchy and i dont think anyone here is going to honestly argue in favor of anarchy.
The opposite of Statism doesn't have to be anarchy. The two laws espoused by Richard Maybury of The Early Warning Report are:
1) Do all you have agreed to do.
2) Do not encroach on other persons or their property.
If you adhere to those two laws there is no anarchy.
Mover Mike
That would require a lot of faith in other individuals to follow those guidelines. I’m impressed and actually a little surprised that you believe people are capable of living in harmony in such an idyllic world. Though, personally I think the fundamental flaw of an idea such as Communism for instance is that human corruption can (and has proven to in the past) distort these guidelines and make it impossible for such a place to ever have a realistic shot of existing. I think that there are plenty of reasons to believe that that would be the case in your ideal version of the world as well.
Oh, I think Republican rhetoric attracts more of the fascist crowd than Democrats.
What does it tell you about a president that his grounds for war are so weak that the only way he can justify it is by believing God wants it? Or that his only Iraq policy now - as our troops fight a vicious insurgency and the dream of a stable democracy falls apart - is a belief in miracles?
Miracles make the incurious even more incurious. People who live by religious certainties don't have to waste time with recalcitrant facts or moral doubts. They do not need to torture themselves, for example, about dispatching American kids into a sand trap with ghostly enemies and without the proper backup, armor, expectations or cultural training.
Any president relying more on facts than faith could have seen that his troops would be sitting ducks: Donald Rumsfeld's experiment - sending in a light, agile force - was in direct conflict with the overwhelming force needed to attempt the neocons' grandiose scheme to turn Iraq into a model democracy.
J.F.K. had to fight the anti-papist expectation that his Oval Office would take orders from heaven. For W., it's a selling point. Some right-wing Catholics want John Kerry excommunicated, while evangelicals call the president a messenger of God. "God's blessing is on him," the TV evangelist Pat Robertson says, adding, "It's the blessing of heaven on the emperor."
Mr. Bush has shown all the evangelical voters who didn't like his daddy that he gets, as Mr. Robertson puts it, "his direction from the Lord."
When Paula Zahn asked the televangelist Tuesday whether Mr. Bush, as a Christian, should admit his mistakes, Mr. Robertson said he'd warned a self-satisfied Bush about Iraq: "The Lord told me it was going to be (a) a disaster, and (b) messy."
Mr. Robertson said, "He was the most self-assured man I ever met." Paraphrasing Mark Twain, he said Mr. Bush was "like a contented Christian with four aces. He was just sitting there, like, I'm on top of the world, and I warned him about this war. ... And I was trying to say, Mr. President, you better prepare the American people for casualties. 'Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties.' "
W., it seems, really believes he's the one. President Neo. (And his advisers are disciples. That's why Condi Rice so willingly puts aside her national security duties to spread the Bush gospel in swing states, and why Karen Hughes raced to impugn Mr. Robertson's veracity after he described his chilling encounter with W.)
W.'s willful blindness comes from mistakenly assuming that his desires are God's, as if he knows where God stands on everything from democracy in Iraq to capital-gains tax cuts.
As Lincoln noted in his Second Inaugural Address about the Civil War, one can't speak for God: "The Almighty has His own purposes."
Mr. Bush didn't just ignore Mr. Robertson's warning - he ignored his own intelligence experts, who warned before the war that an invasion of Iraq would spur more support for political Islam and trigger violent conflict, including an insurgency that would drive Baathists and terrorists together in a toxic combination.
As Michael Gordon wrote in his Times series this week on blind spots in the strategy to secure Iraq, the Bush crew engaged in an astonishing series of delusions: assuming they could begin a withdrawal of troops 60 days after taking Baghdad; enabling the insurgency to flourish; abolishing the Iraqi military and putting American lives at risk; misreading the obvious reaction to an American occupation of a Muslim country.
C.I.A. officials were so clueless they wanted to sneak hundreds of small American flags into Iraq before the war started so grateful Iraqis could wave them at their liberators. The agency planned to film that and triumphantly beam it to the Arab world.
The president has this strange notion that his belief in God means detailed and perfect knowledge of everything that God wants. He may wish to keep his head stuck in the Iraqi sand, but he may discover that the Almighty has His own purposes.
Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.
Oh, I think Republican rhetoric attracts more of the fascist crowd than Democrats.
What does it tell you about a president that his grounds for war are so weak that the only way he can justify it is by believing God wants it? Or that his only Iraq policy now - as our troops fight a vicious insurgency and the dream of a stable democracy falls apart - is a belief in miracles?
Miracles make the incurious even more incurious. People who live by religious certainties don't have to waste time with recalcitrant facts or moral doubts. They do not need to torture themselves, for example, about dispatching American kids into a sand trap with ghostly enemies and without the proper backup, armor, expectations or cultural training.
Any president relying more on facts than faith could have seen that his troops would be sitting ducks: Donald Rumsfeld's experiment - sending in a light, agile force - was in direct conflict with the overwhelming force needed to attempt the neocons' grandiose scheme to turn Iraq into a model democracy.
J.F.K. had to fight the anti-papist expectation that his Oval Office would take orders from heaven. For W., it's a selling point. Some right-wing Catholics want John Kerry excommunicated, while evangelicals call the president a messenger of God. "God's blessing is on him," the TV evangelist Pat Robertson says, adding, "It's the blessing of heaven on the emperor."
Mr. Bush has shown all the evangelical voters who didn't like his daddy that he gets, as Mr. Robertson puts it, "his direction from the Lord."
When Paula Zahn asked the televangelist Tuesday whether Mr. Bush, as a Christian, should admit his mistakes, Mr. Robertson said he'd warned a self-satisfied Bush about Iraq: "The Lord told me it was going to be (a) a disaster, and (b) messy."
Mr. Robertson said, "He was the most self-assured man I ever met." Paraphrasing Mark Twain, he said Mr. Bush was "like a contented Christian with four aces. He was just sitting there, like, I'm on top of the world, and I warned him about this war. ... And I was trying to say, Mr. President, you better prepare the American people for casualties. 'Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties.' "
W., it seems, really believes he's the one. President Neo. (And his advisers are disciples. That's why Condi Rice so willingly puts aside her national security duties to spread the Bush gospel in swing states, and why Karen Hughes raced to impugn Mr. Robertson's veracity after he described his chilling encounter with W.)
W.'s willful blindness comes from mistakenly assuming that his desires are God's, as if he knows where God stands on everything from democracy in Iraq to capital-gains tax cuts.
As Lincoln noted in his Second Inaugural Address about the Civil War, one can't speak for God: "The Almighty has His own purposes."
Mr. Bush didn't just ignore Mr. Robertson's warning - he ignored his own intelligence experts, who warned before the war that an invasion of Iraq would spur more support for political Islam and trigger violent conflict, including an insurgency that would drive Baathists and terrorists together in a toxic combination.
As Michael Gordon wrote in his Times series this week on blind spots in the strategy to secure Iraq, the Bush crew engaged in an astonishing series of delusions: assuming they could begin a withdrawal of troops 60 days after taking Baghdad; enabling the insurgency to flourish; abolishing the Iraqi military and putting American lives at risk; misreading the obvious reaction to an American occupation of a Muslim country.
C.I.A. officials were so clueless they wanted to sneak hundreds of small American flags into Iraq before the war started so grateful Iraqis could wave them at their liberators. The agency planned to film that and triumphantly beam it to the Arab world.
The president has this strange notion that his belief in God means detailed and perfect knowledge of everything that God wants. He may wish to keep his head stuck in the Iraqi sand, but he may discover that the Almighty has His own purposes.
Hitler seeking power, wrote in Mein Kampf. "... I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work." Years later, when in power, he quoted those same words in a Reichstag speech in 1938.
AMERICAN; ideology, socialism, facism, liberalism, conservativism, republican, democrat, survivor.
Let's stop picking the pepper out of the chickenshit, Hitler might have been a democrat, we're at war. There are no rules when at war...and we are at war! Once begun, victory is the only motivation. The decision needn't be rational, we're not discussing the merits of cream in our coffee. Whatever it takes is what should be done. We're in a vicious battle for everything we know and love - EVERY ONE OF US!
We're (none of us) going to be anything unless we unite behind an effort to be victorious in this war. Did I mention we're at war?
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